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Microsoft's Next Xbox Could Take Over Your TV Just Like Google TV

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    Microsoft's next Xbox could take over your TV just like Google TV | VentureBeat (click for full article)

    by Devindra Hardawar - April 10, 2013

    "With its Xbox 360 successor, Microsoft may just one-up Google for once.

    The new Xbox will reportedly be able to control your television and cable/satellite box, similar to what Google (unsuccessfully) attempted with Google TV, reports the Verge.

    The console would reportedly connect to your cable box via an HDMI pass-through (just like Google TV), which means you'd be able to view both the next Xbox and your standard TV programming in the same video input. It would display an overlay on top of your existing TV content, enabling the next Xbox to offer features around what you're watching without the need to process the video."
     
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    Exclusive: Microsoft's next Xbox will take over your TV, interact with your cable box | The Verge (click for full article)

    by Tom Warren - April 10, 2013


    "Microsoft is investing in TV in a big way with its next Xbox console as part of a fight for the living room. Multiple sources familiar with the company's Xbox plans have revealed to The Verge that Microsoft will introduce a feature that lets its next-generation console take over a TV and set-top box in a similar way to Google TV. We understand that the next Xbox will require an online connection to use the entertainment services, allowing them to be always-on for streaming and access to TV signals.


    VERY SIMILAR TO GOOGLE TV, BUT WITH XBOX GAMING


    The functionality will work by taking a cable box signal and passing it through to the Xbox via HDMI, allowing Microsoft's console to overlay a UI and features on top of an existing TV channel or set-top box. We're told that this is a key part of the next-generation Xbox and that it will go a step further than Google's TV implementation thanks to Microsoft's partnerships with content providers. Extended support for various cable services will be rolled out gradually, but the basic functionality will be available at launch.


    Coupled with this TV functionality, Microsoft's next-generation Kinect sensor will also play a role in the company's TV focus. The Verge has learned that the next Kinect will detect multiple people simultaneously, including the ability to detect eye movement to pause content when a viewer turns their head away from a TV. Microsoft is said to be using these capabilities as part of its UI and features for its TV plans.


    XBOX TV SET-TOP BOX STILL IN THE WORKS


    Microsoft recently announced its plans to sell its Mediaroom IPTV business to Ericsson. The sale moves Microsoft away from supporting and helping build out software that's used in over 22 million set-top boxes worldwide. It's also part of an effort by Microsoft to focus fully on its Xbox console for entertainment apps and TV services. We're told that the company is still planning to introduce its own low-cost "Xbox TV" set-top box, but that this will likely debut early next year rather than alongside the next-generation console.


    Microsoft is currently planning an Xbox event for May where we expect the company to detail parts of its next-generation Xbox. A spokesperson for Microsoft refused to comment on this story."
     
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    IMO if Comcast gives the new Xbox full integration with it's cable TV channels (similar to the deal GTV has with Dish Network) - then this could be a big blow to GTV. I don't want to jump to any conclusions until I hear the GTV announcements at Google I/O on May 15 - May17th, and the official Xbox announcements are supposed to be coming on May 21st.
     
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    We'll see if this is a contender. I would say it will be excluded from the non-gamer market segment immediately since it will be much more expensive than Google TV. Of course the game console market is big so whatever portion of that segment that is interested in XBox and internet TV will be excited. I expect adding the internet TV functionality will add some cost, with HDMI input and processing of the TV signal, so gamers not interested in that will not be happy with the added cost. It will also need to be HEVC (H.265) compliant, just in case that replaces H.264 in a few years.

    If Microsoft is really going to take this approach with the next console and it is done right, of course, it will be good. I am certainly not going to replace Google TV with an XBox unless something happens to make Google TV not as well suited for my needs as it is now.
     
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    Chris from what I understand Microsoft is also going to be coming out with a mini Xbox - it will be called "Xbox TV" and it will be a lower cost set-top box device designed to compete with Apple TV, Roku, Google TV etc. Although the latest reports are saying the Xbox TV set-top box will probably be delayed until early next year. Since I'm not a hard core gamer - I would have more interest in the "Xbox TV" device. I would need to take a close look at it when it comes out.

    Next-Generation Xbox 'Durango' to Integrate Tightly with TV and Cable - IBTimes UK

    From the article:

    "Separately, the company is also expected to release a cheaper 'Xbox TV' set-top box, which would offer a similar user interface to the regular console, along with access to content from Microsoft and partners like Netflix, but with the ability to play only casual games like Limbo, foregoing the ability to play full titles such as Call of Duty and Halo."
     
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    We'll see if the XBox TV is released but that product does make sense for the market with no interest in video games. The competition with the PS3 and Wii U sure appears more important to me than any direct competition with Roku, Apple TV and Google TV which is probably why resources will be devoted to the full console which will released first and try to get the upper hand in the game console market.
     
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    If native Apps (& search apps) are to be the future & the concept of plugging a cable box through a TV setup-box is not? So, what MS is trying to achieve?

    Cable/Sat boxes may not retire over night, but these new apps (e.g., HBO GO, TWC TV, Xfinity TV, FiOS TV, MLB.TV, etc..) are real. There was even a hint in a recent article suggesting HBO-GO may offer direct subscriptions (by saying "they can no longer ignore demand for Internet streaming"). Apple is focusing on apps & working on cable/app integration. Also Roku, Xbox & Samsung smart TV are offering cable/apps.

    Perhaps MS is looking to build a large TV customer direct subscriptions base? By offering a dual devices for future transaction?
     
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    Still, isn't it an improvement on a subscription based system?

    The price of the unit & the subscription seems to be overlooked in all the articles I've read.

    Unless...

    Carl
     
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    How the next Xbox can win the cable TV war | Reviews - Games and Gear - CNET Reviews (click for full article)

    by Scott Stein and Matthew Moskovciak - April 16

    From the article:

    "So, the "Xbox 720" is taking a page from Google TV. But is that wise? Gigaom's Janko Roettgers asks, "Really, Microsoft? Your vision for the future of TV is...an HDMI cable?" He makes some solid points, ending his argument with "HDMI pass-through is the ultimate admission of defeat."

    Maybe so. Google TV, after all, was hardly the sort of game-changer we've seen from Google's search engine or Android OS. But, ironically, Google TV-style HDMI pass-through -- in which media from your existing cable box or DVR is viewed through your Xbox -- might be a necessary, and even genius, short-term move on the way to owning the doorway to the future of home entertainment.

    Here's why."
     
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    Really, Microsoft? Your vision for the future of TV is... an HDMI cable? — Tech News and Analysis (click for full article)

    by Janko Roettgers - April 10, 2013

    SUMMARY: Microsoft is reportedly looking to closely integrate its upcoming Xbox successor with live television - but it's using a very cumbersome way to do so.


    -- "Microsoft is one of those companies that has a shot at changing TV. Instead, it's betting on preserving the status quo, in a bad way: Microsoft's next Xbox is supposed to have deep integration with live TV programming, according to a report by the Verge's Tom Warren, who wrote Wednesday that the game console will be able to overlay a programming guide and other UI elements over the feed coming from your cable box. Here's Warren describing the details of this integration:


    "The functionality will work by taking a cable box signal and passing it through to the Xbox via HDMI, allowing Microsoft's console to overlay a UI and features on top of an existing TV channel or set-top box."


    Sounds familiar? That's because the same kind of HDMI daisy-chaining has been used by Google TV devices ever since the launch of that platform in 2010. Microsoft's approach supposedly goes a bit further, thanks to a cooperation with pay TV operators. The Verge article doesn't go into details on what this exactly means, but one possible scenario could be that the Xbox controls basic set-top box functionality via Internet Protocol, meaning that the device will be able to switch the channels without the need for an IR blaster.


    Having that kind of overlay functionality can be neat, at least when it works. Consumers won't have to switch inputs on their TVs anymore to switch from an Xbox game or a movie on Netflix to live television. And at this point, I'd take anything that Microsoft designs over the traditional cable guide.


    But let's not fool ourselves: Plugging your cable box into your Xbox, and then connecting that box to your TV? That's just a crummy hack, which points to all of what's wrong with TV today.


    Cable boxes need to die, not another lifeline"
     
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    Microsoft Already Building Apple TV Competitor

    http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/05/10/microsoft-already-building-apple-tv-competitor/ (click for full article)

    by Chuong Nguyen - May 10, 2013

    "According to the latest report from the Wall Street Journal, Microsoft may be leveraging its Xbox entertainment division to build a media streaming box for the living room to compete against Apple TV and Google TV set-top boxes. The report says that Microsoft already has working prototypes available, though it's unclear if Microsoft will commercialize this effort and for what price tag the set-top box will launch at.

    "Microsoft has been creating designs for a simple set-top device for streaming video and other entertainment options, people familiar with the matter said," writes the WSJ. "
     
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    Xbox One Instant Switching Turns The Console Into A Voice-Powered Set Top Box With Live TV Integration | TechCrunch (click for full article)

    by Jordan Crook - May 21, 2013

    "Now leading the pack in gaming consoles, Microsoft's future growth lies outside the gaming sphere. We'll surely see tons of games at E3 in a few weeks, but at the big reveal of the Xbox One, the company chose to focus on non-gaming features, such as media streaming and Skype conversations.

    But what makes streaming and entertainment a true upgrade on the Xbox One, which already has access to almost all streaming platforms? Instant Switching. It allows you to switch between inputs, games, menus, internet explorer, and almost anything else almost instantly. And what's more, it lets you layer the power of Microsoft partnerships and information across live TV."
     
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    From the TechCrunch article in my previous post:

    "Alongside announcing the Xbox One, Microsoft also announced a partnership with 343 Industries and Steven Spielberg to develop a live action TV show about Halo. They didn't go into much detail, but how much you want to bet there's some awesome Snapmode features and Xbox SmartGlass features?"

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    IMO Microsoft has a good idea to produce exclusive premium content for the Xbox. IMO it is something that Google should consider doing for GTV to give the GTV platform a boost. Yeah Google has YouTube (and GTV has a YouTube app) - but all of that YouTube content can be accessed in numerous ways other than GTV.

    Skype compatibility with the Xbox (see link below) is also a very smart move by Microsoft.. Hopefully GTV will be able to support Skype soon. At the very least GTV should support Google+ hangouts/video chats:

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/21/af...ft-officially-reveals-skype-for-the-xbox-one/
     
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    Microsoft will bring something unique to the table. The Xbox Tv is a great idea as it brings into play where Windows Media Centre failed. They tried to introduce it years ago but we couldn't understand what they were trying to do as Desktops/Laptops were elsewhere in our homes. But now the time maybe right. Where Google have the upper hand is content.
    The Apps that are available due to DRM are far better with Google. Where the Microsoft model will be let down is they are too rigid with their content and will have all of us paying them subscriptions directly (like Office 365), than via another party.
    For me buying the streamer and paying monthly subscriptions (like Xbox Gold) wouldn't be an ideal set up. in the UK we pay our TV Licence fee for the BBC. in the future, I do not want to pay it to Microsoft.
    Like the old saying 'Content is King', and I would think hard before taking the plunge.
     
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    Interesting editorial article out today from Phandroid about the Microsoft Xbox One impact on OUYA and Google TV:

    Microsoft Xbox One Official -- Google TV in trouble? (click for full article)

    by Quentyn Kennemer - May 21, 2013

    "In case you've been sleeping under a rock the past 24 hours or so, Microsoft made a very major announcement today. It's the XBOX One, a home entertainment console that's supposed to change the way we consume our content like never before. With enhanced Kinect integration, great next-gen hardware, an impressive dashboard and deep TV integration, Microsoft is really raising the bar.


    So now it's all laid out onto the table. Microsoft has given folks who are interested in the likes of OUYA's gaming console or the Google TV platform a very big reason to sit up and take notice. Microsoft has never been one to shy away from its desire to dominate the living room, with its current console - the Xbox 360 - getting new video and music features every day.


    Xbox is no longer about gaming: it's about entertainment as a whole. The Redmond company wants your dollars, your eyes, your ears and your attention more now than it ever has before. And to say there isn't reason for any competitors to be sweating bullets would be just shy of a lie: millions of customers pay Microsoft $60 annually to be able to access these features through Xbox Live.


    So should Google and its hardware partners be scared? Was there more to why El Goog decided not to make much noise about Google TV at its developers' conference last week? Let's explore."
     
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    If the new xbox has a cooling fan, it won't be going in my living room.
     
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    Some good questions raised about the Xbox One in this new CNET article:

    Six challenges for integrated TV on the Xbox One | TV and Home Theater - CNET Reviews (click for full article)

    by Matthew Moskovciak - May 21, 2013

    Summary: Live TV integration was a major part of the Xbox One's announcement, but it faces a lot of hurdles to succeed where others have failed.

    -- "The Xbox One may primarily be a gaming console, but one of the major focuses of Microsoft's press event was One Guide: the Xbox One's new interface for navigating your live TV content.

    By including an HDMI input, the Xbox One can integrate cable TV content right into the Xbox Dashboard, serving up a prettier grid of channels than what your clunky cable box offers. It's not all that different from Google's major living room initiative -- Google TV -- and the Xbox One faces some of the same challenges if it truly wants to be the "One" box to rule your living room."
     
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    ....But at what cost to the consumer. Certainly not $100 - $200.
     
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    I think I saw a price of $60.00 annually.
     
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    I haven't seen that disclosed but I think it will probably require a cooling fan.
     

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