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  1. CatfishRivers

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    https://plus.google.com/106322104148750976656/posts (click for full article)

    "Come hangout with us Tuesday May 8th for a +Sony in store meetup in Palo Alto (359 Stanford Shopping Center)! It will be a night of networking, cool giveaways, and plenty of good eats.


    We will be talking about Google TV and all the latest features and updates.


    Doors open at 5:30pm PDT with a live #Hangout scheduled at 6pm PDT with a star studded group of folks from +Revision3 including +Brian Brushwood +Ron Richards +Rob DeMillo +David Prager +Eileen Rivera from +TWiT.


    We will also have a #GoogleTV panel including Product Manager +Eric Liu +Google TV Developers Advocate +Shawn Shen, Product Specialist +Rex Brown Jr., and Community Manager +Kevin Lau


    To register for the event go here: ⟶ http://goo.gl/gGat3 ⟵
    So to recap...


    Awesome schwag + food + giveaways + live panel + networking = GOOD TIMES!


    And if you don't live in the #BayArea , dont worry. The entire event will be broadcasted right here on our Google TV Google+ Page for your viewing pleasure.


    But, most importantly, send us ►*your questions*◄ ahead of time so that we can discuss live. "
     
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    "Come kick it with the Google TV team at the Sony Store on May 8th starting at 5:30pm PT for a night of networking, cool giveaways, and plenty of free grub. We will be talking about Google TV and all the latest features and updates.


    We'll also have a Hangout On Air starting at 6pm featuring special guests from Revision3 including Rob DeMillo (CTO Revision3), Brian Brushwood (Scam School), Ron Richards (App Judgement & All About Android), Eileen Rivera (Twit TV) and David Prager (Revision3) along with a live panel from the Google TV Team and Sony. Plus you'll get a special look at Sony's next gen Google TV powered prototypes.


    For those outside the Bay Area, watch the live stream on our Google+ page here: http://goo.gl/1CsaO


    And if you're excited about this event, share the love. Send your Tweets to #GoogleTV #Hangout. "
     
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    Hope somebody can attend and let us know what was disclosed because I expect the Sony Google TV products to be really good.
     
  4. drhill

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    Hopefully someone asks about SageTV, NDK support, the new Sony GoogleTV blu ray player, and using GTV to replace a cable box, but not cable, instead of supplement it. I hope even more they give an answer.
     
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    Oh, and someone needs to ask them about Android 4.0 and how it was supposed to unify all android platforms.... but no GTV device has it yet.
     
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    Google TV certainly doesn't replace a cable box and Sage TV has little or nothing to do with Google TV as far as I know unless Google acquired some patents of value so I hope nobody asks questions like those, what a waste of time. As far as NDK support and Android 4.0, maybe Google can offer some insight, I don't know if I have seen a Google response to if or when on either.
     
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    Google TV and Sony MeetUp:

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    Google bought SageTV which is a PVR/Live tv server/client suite that works with cable cards. It is the only solution on the market that actually had extenders which didn't include using windows and Xbox's. Google took away options when the bought SageTV and discontinued it's sale. It might not interest you, but it isn't a waste of time so maybe you could show a bit more respect for other GTV owners. The only other reason Google would have been interested in SageTV would be for their ISP via fiber projects they have out in Kansas City. Where they are seeking approval to start pay tv services (Google prepping pay TV service in Kansas City. Is it the start to competing with cable TV elsewhere? | ZDNet). So that would mean they would need PVR/tuning software and hardware to put it on... hmm where would they get such hardware. Maybe they would even want Google/Android services to work on this hardware as well. If only there were some Google platform that combined tv services and Google android services.


    These devices are way more powerful then any crappy cable box. The HDMI pass through method is inelegant, mostly thanks to cable boxes not using HDMI-CEC, ugly, wastes more power, and costs $10+ more a month for the cable box rental then just using a GoogleTV box.

    On the Google TV develop forums they said something to the effect that NDK support was "on the roadmap". As far as ICS, it was rumored and implied that 4.0 would unify all android, but there was never any official mention of 4.0 and GoogleTV.
     
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    Drhill, if you think Google TV is even remotely close to the point where we should discuss having Google TV built in to cable boxes by Google or third party hardware manufacturers, you are just a little confused. That would be roughly equivalent to an early 1902 meeting between various interested parties and the Wright brothers intended to discuss flight, where the meeting gets diverted to a discussion about building a rocketship to fly to the moon, hardly a topic worthy of discussion at the time. Google TV is barely taxiing, much less able to liftoff the runway. No cable company, no third party manufacturer and not even Google will build a cable box with Google TV at this time or any time in the short term future. Right now, the focus has to be on making Google TV actually deliver the goods. What Sony has in mind for the immediate future is very important and making that product generate some positive buzz is important.

    I started the above video but I am having great difficulty understanding what the important guys have to say, only the silly drivel from the host who doesn't know anything is easy for me to understand. I did see the new Sony remote with lighted qwerty keyboard on one side and pad on the other, pretty impressive, but not something that can be included with a $100 Google TV box.
     
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    Sony and Google show off new Google TV box at Palo Alto, CA event (click for full article)

    "Android has skyrocketed and now owns most of the mobile market, but Google has been having a much harder time trying to boost Google TV's success. This is mostly because the platform is fairly new, and still considered beta, even though Google TV 2.0 has brought major improvements. But the Search Giant is not giving up, and is still trying to improve Google TV.


    Sony and the Google TV team have put together a meetup in Palo Alto, CA. This event is meant to be an introduction to the next-generation of Sony Google TV products, as well as a discussion about the platform. A friend of Phandroid is at the event, so we have some great content for you.


    The discussion panel mostly focused on the nature and future of Google TV (which the representatives couldn't say much about), as well as Sony's large interaction with it. And it seems such will continue to be the case, as the highlight of the event was a non-working prototype of a new Sony set top. The new Google TV box comes with a new-generation remote, which is much different compared to the one we have seen from Sony in the past.


    Not much is known about this new device's specs, but we were able to see how it looks. The new Sony remote is a double sided device with a keyboard on one side and a track pad and other buttons in the other. This comes along with a simple black set top box that will bring the Google experience to any TV. Sony is stating that it will be released in the summer, so we will definitely be hearing more about it at Google I/O.


    No information about pricing and specs was provided, so we will have to wait until later for more details. For now, these images and video are simply a tease about what is to come. So if you have been waiting for a Google TV device with upgraded specs, this might be the one. Let's sit tight and see what Sony and Google have for us! "


    New Sony Google TV Box:

     
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    New Sony remote for Google TV:

     
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    While Sony has not released USA prices of it's upcoming GTV set-top box and blu-ray player - they did however previously announce that they will be launching the new GTV box and GTV blu-ray in Europe (this September) for the equivalent of $266 for the set-top box and $399 for the blu-ray:

    Google TV is coming to Europe this September — Online Video News

    "Sony will start selling Google TV-based products in Europe in September, according to a report by Les Echos.


    The site reports comments by Sony France marketing director Stephane Labrousse that the CE maker will sell two devices: A set-top box which will go on sale for €200 ($266) and a box with an integrated Blu-ray player that will sell for €300 ($399). Labrousse confirmed the launch in France, and Les Echos is reporting that it could launch in Spain, Germany and the U.K. at the same time as well.


    Also worth noting is that the new Sony boxes will apparently have a Google Play button on their remote controls, giving direct access to Google's app and content store. The box will also come with Sony's own content offerings, including Music Unlimited.


    Google TV has so far only been available in the U.S., but Sony said at CES that it would make its devices available internationally in 2012 as well. This is, however, the first time the company has provided a clear timeline for its plans to enter the European market, as well as a price - which is high, one should add.


    Google's problem in the U.S. was that the first batch of Google TV devices was too expensive for consumers.


    The second generation of Google TV devices, due to go on sale this year from manufacturers like Sony, Samsung, LG and Vizio, is based on ARM's chips instead of Intel's, which is meant to bring the price down considerably. However, in light of the European pricing, one has to wonder whether the CPU platform switch will really have that much of an impact. "
     
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    I am still hoping for $250 for Google TV with Blu-ray and $200 without in the US for the Sony boxes. We will know soon enough but the $150 and $100 prices were always a pipe dream is how I see it. The European prices are probably reasonable considering what it must cost to make the products.
     
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    I think it would be unusual if Vizio put out a $99 GTV box in the USA while simultaneously Sony launched a $266 GTV box in the USA - seeing as how they both will run the new ARM chips. I would think that due to the competitive nature of the market - the devices will be priced in the same general ballpark. I don't really see one or the other brand as having a "home-run" feature that would command a big premium price over the other.


    IMO though - Vizio is known for offering "affordable budget" prices on it's electronics. So if a company were to put out a "budget-priced" GTV box - Vizio would be a good bet for it. So I'm thinking that the Vizio box might be priced a bit lower than the Sony GTV box .....


    I believe from what was mentioned at CES - the new Sony GTV devices will be close to the actual GTV skin (interface) - while the Vizio GTV devices will have a hghly customized skin. So that can be taken as either a positive or negative - depending on individual tastes.


    It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out......
     
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    Really? Did you read anything I wrote. I don't want my cable company going anywhere near my Google TV box. The only hardware I want from my cable company is a cable card which goes into my HD Homerun Prime (cable card tuner). When I start my GoogleTV box up and it launches an app at start up called SageTV or MythTV (or whatever). That app communicates either directly with the cable card tuner or with my linux server which would be running the backend for SageTV or MythTV. No Comcast box. No rental.

    The only part of that equation which is missing is software on Google's end. Either a SageTV by Google app, or NDK support porting MythTV (or whatever). NDK support would allow us to not really on Google's built in video view which has very finicky HTTP live streaming support and doesn't support UDP streaming.

    There are other GTV users that want this (check the Silicondust forums). It may not be a huge number, but there is no reason for some one like you to scoff at the idea of this. In fact the CE industry is pushing for removing cable company set top boxes (Google included). There is the RVU alliance (RVU Alliance - FAQ) which would basically do what the tru2way cable card initiative wanted to do but failed. There is also allVid (FCC requests comments about the future of CableCARD and AllVid -- Engadget) which aims to replace cable cards with a gateway device that communicates via the internet for customer channel access. That is similar to RVU. Ceton is building a embedded media center PVR with extender system (Ceton previews multi-room DVR and Echo extender (hands-on) -- Engadget).

    I'm sure some people don't mind the "ease" of renting a box and getting outdated hardware and software. But if I can get the amount of boxes in front of my tv's down to a media device (blu rays, streaming internet services, dlna/plex) and audio receiver or game systems (where needed ;) ). I'd be happy and be saving around $35 a month.
     
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    Can't find the "play" button though I can't tell what is just above the home key. That would be a waste of a key. Is it that hard to hit the home key and have the store there? Guess it is better to get people to find apps.

    I'm interested in this new remote as it looks like it could fix the few complaints I had with the old one. I would really like an "Info" button though. Also I was on Sony's website yesterday looking at the press release from January. I noticed a line which mentioned that microphone support is only on the Bluray player. Weird.
     
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    i really like that remote.
     
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    I have read everything you wrote and I don't agree with your idea of where Google TV should go now but that is irrelevant, it should be obvious Google and their hardware partners don't agree with you either. There are new PC based, expensive boxes that might be released soon, one from Ceton and one from Whiteman Technology, they have passed on using Google TV. If Google TV and that type of box are successful, the possibility for a future product with Google TV exists.

    Of course nobody is stopping your from contacting whoever it is you think might make this box and requesting it. Right now we can hope Sony actually releases new Google TV boxes and they are successful, otherwise the future for Google TV won't be bright.
     
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    The chances Sony sells a product for $266 in Europe and the same product for $100 in the US is exactly and precisely, zero. I hope Vizio does have a $100 Google TV box but the box Sony has announced can't and won't be sold for that price, unless it flops and is liquidated by firesale, although nothing is stopping Sony from ultimately competing with a low priced box.
     
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    Apparently you haven't understood everything I wrote. I'm not sure why you would disagree with my idea. Indifference is fine, but your resistance seems selfish. The box I want exists and is in my house. I just want the keys to NDK development for GoogleTV, and/or Google to not sit on their thumbs with the SageTV acquisition. There is no special hardware needed that I don't already have. But Google handcuffing GoogleTV to byte code only development is a foolish move just like Microsoft with Windows Phone. Apparently Microsoft learned their lesson as a future version of Windows Phone will support native code.
     

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