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10 Reasons not to buy the NSZ-GS7

Discussion in 'Sony's NSZ-GS8 / NSZ-GS7' started by GTVn00b, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. GTVn00b

    GTVn00b New Member

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    Okay so I had high hopes for this device, I paid a premium importing from the UK to AU.

    Sadly this device isn't up to the job. My 10
    reasons to not buy the device below:

    1. No DTS
    2. No DTS
    3. No DTS
    4. No DTS
    5. No DTS
    6. No DTS
    7. No DTS
    8. No DTS
    9. No DTS
    10. No DTS

    I'm pretty annoyed to tell the truth, considering the number of conflicting reports. I also rang Sony support in AU and they said it was supported. For the cost being double the other like devices it shouldve been without a doubt.

    I won't return it in hope that this is addressed and Google pick up there game with a 4. NDK supported os with DTS. licensed and working.

    In the meantime, my two gtv appliances will gather dust and I look forward to receiving my Xtreamer Ultra 2 deluxe Open elec XBMC DTS supported htpc. What a shame on Google. Over 2 years now and they still haven't matched the standards that have been on media players for over 5 years.
     
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  2. ChrisG8

    ChrisG8 Well-Known Member

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    The Sony NSZ-GT1 and the upcoming Blu-ray players with Google TV should all handle DTS files, DTS is required for Blu-ray and DVD. I have used Google TV for over a year and never once needed DTS, there are no streaming services I have ever used with DTS audio and I have never seen a file for purchase or rent with DTS audio. That leaves Blu-ray and DVD copies as the only source I am aware of with DTS audio, that is illegal in the US so not everybody wanting Google TV is going to need DTS handling. The manufacturers of Google TV devices are correct to not include it with every box made since it adds cost to a product with a very slim profit margin and buyers should make sure the media players purchased handle the file formats and codecs needed before purchase, there are Google TV boxes with DTS handling if that is a need, why buy one that doesn't handle it? Funny that you found this forum to whine about a stupid purchase but didn't find it to make sure before purchase the box did what you want, I will look at you for the reason that happened, nobody else. There are no media player standards requiring DTS and none of the media players for over 5 years until Google TV did the things I need, so I purchased Google TV and avoided those previous media players which would all be sitting and gathering dust if I had purchased them.
     
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  3. GTVn00b

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    Whatever fanboy you know the world is larger than the US and in other countries you have a legal right to backups. It's only in the good old USA that you have draconian laws and puppet lawyers who prevent you from your basic digital rights.

    I bought a revue too which collects dust and you ignored the most important thing I said.

    Sony support said it supports dts pass through to be precise. And the license cost is trivial. You really have been brain washed if you think the margins are so low to not include it. You're also ignoring my valid remark re Google's poor support towards this product so far. No ics or ndk support is a big failure.
     
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    I have the gs7 hooked up to a Denon receiver.i get doby digital. The revue ony could only do pcm
     
  6. ChrisG8

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    I have the Revue connected by optical audio and get Dolby Digital or PCM, my choice by setting it up whichever way I like. I do understand that Logitech never got HDMI input and output to work properly for Dolby Digital but I am fortunate and only have one room with HDMI audio processing and all HDMI inputs were used, nothing I use Google TV for benefits by using HDMI so optical works great. It will be years, if ever, before I have HDMI audio processing for all systems so I use analog inputs for Blu-ray, SACD, and DVD-A and optical for everything else in secondary systems. Still that would have been a good update if Logitech could have gotten it right.
     
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    If you rely on a single phone call to customer support for your purchase decisions, good luck with your purchases going forward, I hope you or the person you are talking never have a misunderstanding or make mistakes.

    You have missed the most important things I said. You found this forum to whine, why not make such an effort before purchase so you can make an informed decision? Whiners with nobody to blame but themselves are big finger pointers but never when they should be, when standing in front of a mirror.
     
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    Hey, that sounds great! And it costs the same as the Sony box? And I can plug my TiVo or cable box into it? And, if not, it surely has a tuner that I can plug my coax cable in directly to, right? So I can continue to watch TV and also get an enhanced experience?

    Or ... by the same logic ... top 10 reasons not to get an Xtreamer Ultra 2 Deluxe

    1. No HDMI pass-through
    2. No HDMI pass-through
    3. No HDMI pass-through
    4. No HDMI pass-through
    5. No HDMI pass-through
    6. No HDMI pass-through
    7. No HDMI pass-through
    8. No HDMI pass-through
    9. No HDMI pass-through
    10. No HDMI pass-through
     
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  9. GTVn00b

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    It wasn't a single phone call. I had it escalated within Sony to the product specialist team to confirm. It was numerous calls and I have a ticket raised too and they confirmed DTS would work via HDMI passthrough. Just do a search online and you will find plenty who say it doesn't work and others who say it does. Hell even Sony's websites between different countries had conflicting information. There is a post on this site too which says it's supported. Just search nsz-gs7+dts site:googletvforum.org and you will see the conflicts I'm talking about.

    My reason for posting this isn't to whine either, I hope others vent there frustration at this situation too..... I had high hopes for this Sony device... I'm a long time Android user from the original Google phone to the S2 then S3... I was in Googles corner but you have to admit they havn't exactly set the world on fire with Googletv. And the fact is Sony has barely produced something better than the Revue and we all know how quickly that was killed off. This was Sony's and Googles opportunity to set the bar a little higher and considering the number of $100 Android/GTV players out there they needed DTS and NDK supported.

    If there isn't a major OS version upgrade within the next few months with NDK support this will be yet another fail on Google's behalf, I was really quite surprised that they allowed these gen 2 devices to release to market with essentially the same OS as the previously failed Revue.

    It's not about the money for me either, I just paid $450 for a open elec htpc with xbmc. This is simply a finger pointing at Sony and Google for their luck luster efforts on this sombre release. This Sony device is more than capable of getting it right, if it does I'll gladly swap it back in and put the htpc to rest. Until it's resolved though I'm just going to pack it in its box and leave it in the garage with the rest of my junk.
     
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    ;)One reason to keep the GS7
    I like the F**king thing:D
    Rock on :p
     
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  12. ChrisG8

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    HDMI pass through isn't what you want, you want to be able to access files with DTS Audio and play those files, that requires DTS licensing, whether you use the Google TV to decode or have the Google TV pass DTS to an attached AVR by extracting data from the file. Just extracting and passing it for decoding is a less expensive license, one with DTS Digital Out on the player logo or literature, check your literature and see what you find.

    HDMI pass through takes a signal from an HDMI input and passes that through to the display or AVR connected by HDMI. That probably works with the NSZ-GS7 but does you no good and doesn't require a license as far as I know, nothing is done to the signal, strictly pass through. Sony may add DTS to the NSZ-GS7 but I doubt it and there may be a market for DTS decoding but I will recommend that market buy a Google TV device with DTS handling to handle it, I have one, the Sony NSZ-GT1 and I believe the upcoming NSZ-GP9 will handle DTS as well but wait for definitive confirmation of that fact before buying one.

    I don't have the NSZ-GS7 but I believe it may been tested to see if HDMI DTS pass through works, and if it does, it looks to me like you got what you asked for. See if you can't find that answer here somewhere, Revue5 has one and should have tested it. If you called Sony and asked if the NSZ-GS7 has HDMI pass through, I think their answer of yes may have been correct.
     
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    No DTS audio should be reason number 1 for not buying the NSZ-GS7 if you have to have DTS handling, so what? If you want DTS handling buy a device that handles DTS, this isn't rocket science, I could have handled this pretty easily and I thought so could everybody else but I can see I was mistaken. Again, there are Google TV devices that handle DTS audio, buy one of those if that is what you need instead of buying a device that doesn't handle it then whine, good grief.
     
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    need DTS but getting used to ps3 media server which transcodes and gives 5.1 to my receiver. will buy a vizio blu ray google tv when released. may be the first company to release a 2nd gen google tv with dts support.
     
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    I could

    1. Care less about DTS
    2. Care less about DTS
    3. Care less about DTS
    4. Care less about DTS
    5. Care less about DTS
    6. Care less about DTS
    7. Care less about DTS
    8. Care less about DTS
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    10. Care less about DTS
     
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    Hi,


    DTS & 5.1 surround sound could cause confusion with potential (non media apps) Google TV users.

    OP didn't clearly specify from which of the following was referring to?

    a. DTS via HDMI-in thru HDMI-out?
    b. DTS via Streaming App (native)?
    c. DTS via Media App (from usb)?
    d. DTS via Media App (from network)?




    FYI, (for Sony GS7)

    a. HDMI-in thru HDMI-out when connecting any cable/satellites box, DVR, PVR, Streaming player DVD or BDP via HDMI-in port and connecting an AV receiver via HDMI-out port, a true 5.1 surround sound will be heard from the AV receiver's speakers. (Regardless of the audio formats; 5.1DTS, 5.1DTS - HD Master, 5.1DD, 5.1DD+, or 5.1Dolby TrueHD).
    link .
    7. I connected the BD-Player to the new Sony via HDMI-in then played-back the following soundtracks:
    Disk
    Audio-in soundtracks
    Sony NSZ-GS7
    Audio-out
    Video display
    BD
    DVD
    BD
    DVD
    DVD
    with 5.1 DTS-HD Master
    with 5.1 DTS
    with 5.1 Dolby TrueHD
    with 5.1 Dolby Digital
    with 2.0 Dolby Digital
    transcode
    transcode
    transcode
    bitstream (pass through)
    bitstream (pass through)
    5.1 PCM
    5.1 PCM
    5.1 PCM
    5.1 Dolby Digital
    2.0 Dolby Digital
    1080p/24p (native)
    1080p/60 (upscale)
    1080p/24p (native)
    1080p/60 (upscale)
    1080p/60 (upscale)
    * BD-Player menu audio-out settings: [HDMI output > priority], [Audio (HDMI) > Auto] & [BD Audio Setting > Direct (bitstream)].
    * Sony NSZ-GS7 menu audio-out settings: [Audio output (HDMI) > Auto] & [Audio pass through > On].



    b.
    Streaming App (native), when streaming from Apps like Netflix, a true 5.1 surround sound will be heard from the AV receiver's speakers. (Netflix App supports 5.1DD+).

    c. Media App, playback A/V files with DTS is NOT supported (from usb or network), however for Media App & DTS Transcod workaround - check out this thread.






    Do you have a link to share?





    Btw, the above is not "copied data from the Sony website" - that is a portion from Sony GS7 vs Revue comparison list after testing both units. (DTS not support from Media Apps but DTS is supported via via HDMI pass-through (HDMI-in thru HDMI-out).





    And it does, Sony GS7 does support DTS (& all audio format including HD audio) via HDMI pass-through (HDMI-in thru HDMI-out).

    The terminology "via HDMI pass-through" can be misinterpreted with a Google TV box. As all GTV boxes support four source of audio (HDMI in/out, Streaming Apps, Media Apps/usb & Media Apps/network). And other media players (besides GTV) aren't equipped with HDMI in/out.

    However, by saying Sony GS7 supports DTS via HDMI pass-through, that should raise a flag and lead to more questions:

    • GS7 is equipped with Optical-out?
    • DTS via Optical-out pass-through?
    • Why via HDMI only?
    • DTS requirement is not the same as DTS-HD MASTER Audio requirement (were only HDMI pass-through is required no optical)?




    Well, since the topic "NO DTS" is not entirely correct. Sony GS7 does support DTS (& all audio format including HD audio) via HDMI pass-through (HDMI-in thru HDMI-out).

    Moreover, Sony's CS answer "DTS via HDMI pass-through" is also correct (they didn't say "DTS via HDMI or Optical pass-through" that leaves DTS via hdmi-in thru hdmi-out as the answer).

    So, try to edit your OP & specify "no DTS" for Media Apps only. After all you're one of first Android users. ;)
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  17. ChrisG8

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    He is talking about c and/or d, wants to play files with DTS audio. If he called Sony and asked about HDMI pass through, A, the answer of yes is correct as I expected.
     

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